Lennox Lewis pauses thoughtfully when he considers whether his achievement in becoming the last undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, after he beat Evander Holyfield in 1999, means he should be bracketed alongside great names of the past from Jack Johnson and Joe Louis to Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali. His answer, when it comes, is emphatic: âYes, absolutely. I truly believe I belong in the same room as them.â
The 58-year-old Lewisâs reflections on the once glorious but now fractured history of boxing feel fresh just a week away from next Saturday nightâs fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk. Unless there is a draw in Saudi Arabia, either Fury or Usyk will become boxingâs first undisputed world heavyweight champion this century.
Before Lewis breaks down an intriguing bout, which will be held in Riyadh, and identifies his likely successor, he talks in compelling detail about his two fights with Holyfield 25 years ago. In March 1999, after comprehensively outboxing Holyfield in their first unification match at Madison Square Garden, Lewis was robbed by a travesty of a draw which would be subject to a judicial investigation. He clearly won the rematch in Las Vegas nine months later to add finally Holyfieldâs WBA, IBF and IBO titles to the WBC belt he already owned.
âI did feel the magnitude,â Lewis says as he remembers his emotions when fighting for the undisputed title. âIâd never met Holyfield but I saw this HBO documentary about him which said how great he was and he was the perfect champion. Iâm like: âHow can you call him that great and he didnât fight me?â I wanted to prove I was the undisputed champion and I said: âHolyfieldâs never seen a fighter like me.ââ
Lewis remembers that, before the first bout, âwhen I went into the ring, and I saw Holyfield singing a gospel song as he came out, I was thinking: âHeâs not taking me serious.â I wanted to show him that: âYo, Iâm real and heâs got somebody in front of him thatâs taking him very serious. Iâm not singing coming into the ring.ââ
In the buildup, the normally relaxed and low-key Lewis had suggested that Holyfieldâs seemingly devout faith could not obscure his messy private life. Was this a way of getting under his rivalâs skin? âAbsolutely, and it did,â Lewis says with a smile. âHe admitted it.â
A riled Holyfield promised he would win by knockout in the third round. That claim, even now, makes Lewis exclaim in disbelief. âPreposterous. I saved my breath until that round and I was like: âShow me what you can do.â But it actually winded him.â
Lewis easily held off Holyfieldâs desperate assault and, as he says, âthroughout the fight I felt in total control. But he actually made me a better fighter because Holyfield had more technical skills than other heavyweights. He needed them because of his size [Holyfield had originally been a cruiserweight]. But you know how he really made me better? Because he used his head [to butt Lewis]. There was no use crying to the referee so I had to make a mental change: âOK, this is the situation. Can you adjust?â So I adjusted.â
He was far more skilful and powerful for most of the 12 rounds and so Lewisâs face was etched in disbelief when he heard that one judge, the disgraced American Eugenia Williams, declared Holyfield the winner while the British official, Larry OâConnell, scored it a draw. Only Stanley Christodoulou, the vastly experienced South African judge, got it right and matched the consensus of almost everyone else who watched the fight when he gave a clear decision to Lewis.
âI could not believe it was a draw,â Lewis says, âwhen the punch count was so overwhelmingly in my favour. I threw and landed so many more punches. I was crazy and telling my manager at the time, Frank Maloney: âYo, they didnât add it up right. Go check. Thereâs a mistake.â I was in shock. But you know what took me out of my shock? The fact that everybody was saying: âYou won the fight.â All I wanted was for everybody to see that Iâm a better fighter and that Iâm the true heavyweight champion of the world.â
The result was such a scandal that Williams was eventually brought before a federal grand jury to answer questions about her links to Holyfieldâs promoter, Don King.
I was in Las Vegas for the rematch in November 1999 and remember how battered and sad Holyfield looked after Lewis carved out a unanimous victory on points. Lewisâs pride, against all the odds, can still be heard in his voice today: âIâd gone through hills and valleys and potholes and I actually made it to the mountain top. It wasnât easy as I had to do it twice and, before that, they were trying to keep me away by not fighting me or blocking me. There were barriers to stop me before I became the undisputed world heavyweight champion.â
Almost 25 years later, and with his status as boxingâs last great heavyweight sealed, itâs timely to hear Lewisâs assessment of the imminent battle between Fury and Usyk in Riyadh. âYouâre looking at two very good, very determined fighters, guys that have never lost [a professional bout]. Weâre going to see, 18 May, who is the best in this era.â
Lewis is unequivocal in choosing Fury. âI believe the bigger guy, the better guy, wins. They both have good skill and Usyk has good movement, with good balance, and puts his punches together well. But heâs going up against a 6ft 9in guy and, for me, Tyson Fury is very elusive even if he is so big. If he makes you miss, he makes you pay.
âItâs an interesting matchup but I always say if two guys have the same technical skill, the bigger fighter wins because he can force his size on the other guy. Itâs happened before where the smaller guy won but, in this case, Tyson Furyâs got lots of different weapons in his arsenal. He has shown in the [three] fights with Deontay Wilder he is aggressive and moves forward well. Those fights really showed his skill, his talent, his ring generalship. I would put money on Fury â as long as it is the 100% focused Fury.â
In his last, near-disastrous fight over six months ago, Fury was floored and nearly lost to Francis Ngannou, the former Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight title-holder making his boxing debut. âIf it had been me against Ngannou,â Lewis suggests, âI would go in there and show that boxing is way different to UFC. Fury should have gone after him and knocked him out. Anthony Joshua did that a few months later.
âBut Fury was not at his best. He was way overweight and didnât take the fight seriously. Joshua showed that boxing is different. He hit Ngannou with a very good right hand and it didnât look good the way he fell. This is a dangerous sport, where we donât play.â
Would Fury at his best have presented Lewis with an exacting test? âYes, because of his size. Iâve been watching him for a long time and heâs a good boxer. He is the one that shadow-boxes the most out of all of them. You can tell.â
What would have been his strategy against Fury had they met in Lewisâs prime? âThatâs an interesting and really good question. But Iâm a pugilist specialist and I donât want to tell people how Iâd do it. I donât want anybody to use my information without me.â
Is Lewis convinced he could have beaten Fury? âAbsolutely. Everybodyâs got a flaw â you just have to find it. Holyfield was very effective when he boxed me, because he kept me turning. That put me off a couple of times but I found a way.â
He and Holyfield both beat Mike Tyson but Lewis is adamant he will support his old rival in July, when the by-then 58-year-old Tyson fights the YouTuber Jake Paul in a dubious but officially sanctioned bout which will receive massive publicity. âAbsolutely, absolutely,â Lewis says in echoing endorsement of Tyson. âIâm looking forward to it because youâve got to look at these guys as entertainers. The public love them and want to see them in action.â
But, knowing the damage that boxing can do, is Lewis concerned about the safety of a man closing in on 60 and a boxing novice? âIâm concerned for Jake Paul,â Lewis says. âTyson still knows how to punch, as you can see when heâs hitting a bag. If Jake Paul gets hit by one of those punches, heâs going to feel it. I know Jake Paul doesnât want to get hit.
âTyson comes forward and he knows how to cut off the ring. It could be a matter of time, as how good is Jake Paulâs defence? I saw Mike a couple of weeks ago and he looked good. He was walking around without a shirt and showing off his body so heâs getting ready.â
Do hucksters still try to entice Lewis back into the ring? âYeah, they do. But, as my friend says, I ainât no fool.â Hopefully that means a rejection of any stunt of a comeback for an undisputed champion as significant as Lewis? He laughs. âI was seeing if I could catch you out there. For me, money talks, bullshit walks.â Does this mean he would consider an astronomical offer to make a return? âThatâs what Iâm saying. Iâd 100% consider it.â
Lewis is still smiling when I ask if he works out regularly. âYes, I do. I ran five miles this morning, swam a couple of lengths, 100m. Then I woke up and took a shower.â
We laugh at his joke and agree that it matters far more that he became one of only three world heavyweight champions to retire while in possession of their title. Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano preceded him. âThat mattered to me because setting goals and reaching marks is a big thing. When Manny [his last trainer, Emanuel Steward] told me to take that last fight against Vitali Klitschko, he said: âYouâll beat him and be known as the greatest in this era and the next.â Iâm like: âIâll take it. Iâve been undisputed champion already. Whatâs higher than that?â I thought that was a good challenge for me.
âMuhammad Ali was my hero and people always asked: âWhy do you think he stayed in boxing too long?â I looked at the aspect of why do all these champions come back? For me, the answer was money. I can understand because everybody that you meet [in retirement] says: âHey, champ! When are you back in the ring?â Iâm like: âYo, dude. I finished 20 years ago.ââ
Lewis smiles one last time, his wisdom being as apparent as his amusement. âAs my friend in showbusiness says,â he murmurs, âI decided to retire and leave them wanting more.â